tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548876397286393746.post5283279750573581121..comments2024-03-22T08:47:33.246-04:00Comments on Alas, not me: 'I could not take it from him' -- The peril of seizing the RingThomas Hillmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11645380693097266173noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548876397286393746.post-45103298253831876812018-11-20T00:16:11.006-05:002018-11-20T00:16:11.006-05:00I ever be the fan of Lord of the Rings ,even buy a...I ever be the fan of Lord of the Rings ,even buy a <a href="https://www.aclya.com/wedding/engagement.html" rel="nofollow">beautiful crown ring</a>crown ring for myself,but now im obsessed with the “Game of Thrones.”vivi.Kunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10133399938082370105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548876397286393746.post-6880467379712536822018-11-10T21:19:11.609-05:002018-11-10T21:19:11.609-05:00In this context, how do you understand Frodo's...In this context, how do you understand Frodo's words to Sam: "But for him, Sam, I could not have destroyed the Ring"? Frodo seems to say here he destroyed the Ring when in fact he attempted precisely to not do so. A sign of mental trauma then? Or perhaps he asserts a retrospective domination over Gollum, claiming him to have been an instrument of his unconscious intentions to destroy the Ring?<br /><br />That Frodo's mind is not broken might a sign of grace, a kindly radiance of the providence that underlies the Ring's end. Any other way of losing the Ring might have had the deleterious effects of which Gandalf speaks; this way alone threads the needle. hyperborealishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16331231014120956210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548876397286393746.post-42876694041261464552018-11-08T15:12:39.547-05:002018-11-08T15:12:39.547-05:00Nice, Tom. I'd never thought about the damage ...Nice, Tom. I'd never thought about the damage Gandalf could have done to himself had he taken the ring. Though, as is so often the case, it seems obvious in hindsight .Jeremiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02622893684488275484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7548876397286393746.post-26415420297468776402018-11-08T07:26:36.959-05:002018-11-08T07:26:36.959-05:00Is Gandalf really saying that anyone taking the Ri...Is Gandalf really saying that <i>anyone</i> taking the Ring by force from Frodo would necessarily cause Frodo's mind to break? <br /><br />Surely he could be referring to <i>himself</i> here, without generalizing. After all, Gandalf is not just anyone to Frodo; he is a trusted friend and advisor, immeasurably wiser and stronger, who has hitherto acted as if the free will of lesser folks were worth his respect. For Gandalf in particular to take the Ring from Frodo by force might have a very different effect than, for example, ruffians like Sharkey's men or a fellow sufferer like Gollum taking it from him.<br /><br />And that gets me to wondering if Gandalf is hinting rather strongly that the "force" he could and would exert on Frodo to obtain the Ring from him against Frodo's will would be more than physical. Indeed, it might not be physical at all, but a more or less direct attack on Frodo's will. If so, it'd be much more likely to break Frodo's mind than Gollum's merely physical attack. <br /><br />(Though I also love your point that "the Frodo who loses the Ring to Gollum is not the same Frodo." That is very clearly also true.)LeesMythnoreply@blogger.com